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That's interesting. I assume you talk alot?Or try to anyway?

10:51 AM

How far into it are you?

How far? What do you mean?

How long has it been since They were vocal i guess is a good marker

How long since she was vocal? I think about 3 days ago

Okay yeah. If she is that new don't stress over it. Just get what you can in when you can

Oh wait, 5 days ago

I'd say after about a month and that is still happening might be something to be done about it. But she is basically brand new (edited)

Well yeah

10:55 AM

She's still seven days old

I think that's probably pretty normal. It does take energy to do this. And remember (sometimes you forget) they are not their form. The form is something they do. Sometimes mine don't use a form because they don't want to bother with It in the moment

Do keep in mind that it takes quite a bit of time to genuinely establish an independently autonomous pattern.

Trixie usually is whatever the hell she wants to be any given day. She usually doesn't stay in any particular form for very long.

Yeah you're right

11:02 AM

Maybe I'm tired

Thank you @Lillyshins

Yeah no problem.

'I never heard of a tulpa before I had a voice talking up in my head. I was convinced I was going crazy.' Oh... that was sort of my experience, too... I did wish for my first Tulpa before he showed up, but I wasn't aware of Tulpa's because the people who seemed to have similar experiences to mine called them 'Headmates' instead. And he sort of showed up the next day while I was shopping, so it was a little sudden, heh (edited)

You need to be very careful with stuff like this, because when we start telling people that any random voice in their head is a tulpa we tread a fine line of very possibly supporting and explaining away real issues that are in a person's head. This is not to say that what anyone has is bad, necessarily, and it's very possible you have forced on accident by means of writing a story or speaking to a voice in your head over years that developed to have a sort of mind of its own. However, if you are hearing voices out of nowhere I would look to other places to explain that phenomena.

Well, I believe I did try and form him, but I don't remember doing so... I'm really not sure That depends on what kind of 'real issues' we're talking about. I did look up the dangers of it and in relations to stuff like MPD and DID but... it's very rare or close to impossible to be able to form either at my age, along with other things that come with it- I understand, though I don't believe I'm hearing them out of nowhere. It was sudden, but I wasn't surprised. I spoke to him off and on in those two hours like it was normal

Reguile, when you have auditory hallucinations, you hear them with you ears. If you hear a undeveloped tulpa speak, it would be in your head.

I don't think most people "hear with their ears" with auditory imposition, you can tell the difference, it just feels like it came from a direction (lil quieter and all that too)

12:55 PM

that's some srsly strong imposition if you really trick yourself into thinking sound is coming from your ears, for us it kinda skips the ear step and goes straight to information context

Sorry, I may be falling into bad habits here, being fast to judge.

We can hear each other's thoughts from a certain direction depending on where they're being visualized

1:30 PM

would that be "auditory imposition" to you?

@Reguile well it certainly wasn't just any random voice in my head. She had the form that I was visualizing her as. And to be honest. Maybe they actually are schizophrenia and not tulpa. But. I almost ruined myself worrying over that. You can drive yourself crazy with worry. I was so close it's not even funny. They behave exactly like everyone else's tulpa as far as we can see. Maybe the experiences are a bit different. But we still need to focus to give them a form and if we stop working on said form it started to get fuzzy/less clear over the course of time. We decided that instead of me fretting myself to ribbons over whether or not they are tulpa this time around. We were going to treat them like they are tulpa and see how that works. So far since doing that my mental state has never been steadier our whole system has never been happier and it feels like finally being whole again after several years of being a shattered individual barely held together by masking tape. I know I'm not the only one that this is ever happened to. I may have taken it a lot harder than most people would but I have prior issues in that regard from childhood trauma. (edited)

1:37 PM

And something else that before when I would mention nobody really likes to even assume that this could be a possibility. What if this whole told the experience is in fact giving yourself schizophrenia or whatever the term would be now) if it's very controlled and doesn't actually cause any issues. I was 23-24 when all of this happen so I guess technically it was 7 years ago not 6 years ago I think. Either way this is something I've been dealing with for years and had a lot of time to think about it. When I was a member of this community years ago I pretty much just kept quiet and kept to myself because whenever I mentioned my experience that was pretty much the response that I would get; what you said. Don't tell people x because y. All I can do is share this stuff from my experience. You should have seen my progress report I had under my other account. The uncertainty the doubt. The almost sureity that any day I could just lose it.(I'm not even sure what losing it would even entail, but I was terrified of it just the same) Tldr version. I myself am not even sure if what I have is tulpa. but treating it as if it is has really seriously helped me. also when Trixie spoke up it wasn't a small like maybe you heard it maybe you didnt kind of voice when Trixie first showed up she had a very very loud booming in my head voice that she really had to cut back. I would also fiercely advise anyone to not treat any errant thought as if they were a tulpa. sorry about the super long post

1:38 PM

@Felight I have always thought that's what auditory imposition would be like yeah.

We can hear each other's thoughts from a certain direction depending on where they're being visualized
would that be "auditory imposition" to you?

if by "where they're being visualized" you mean "where they're being imposed" then sure!

3:55 PM

otherwise it's just, like, auditory vocality ?

3:55 PM

as always imposition means you're trickin your mind to some extent into treating imagined senses like they're real

3:56 PM

so you don't gotta feel like sound literally came through your ears so much as the sound you "hear" should make you feel like it came from where your tup's imposed

Define imposed in this context

There is a key point here in that there is such a thing as healthy multiplicity. Some people just have the tendency, on occasion, to think as many people. It is not necessarily a case of mental illness at all.

@Reguile yeah I don't know any of the medical terms. I only know what I've gone through. Actually I'm kind of scared to look into the medical terms to be completely honest. I had such a hard time with it last time I really want to give myself some I don't know real time to get used to this before I really try and delve into exactly what it is. I've been this way again for about a month I think there abouts anyway. It is definitely mattering less and less to me though. I'm just happy to be dealing with it well this time around. (edited)

That said, I am wrong to be so defensive about tulpamancy in general, sorry to put you on the spot.

It's okay. Nothing I havnt thought myself. And another contrast the last time years ago with somebody asked me basically that exact same thing. I wasn't paralyzed with fear that I really am going crazy. Small steps.

i'll paypal someone €5 a week to coach me while making my tulpa pm me

I don't think that is neccary, most people will do that for free

11:15 PM

I would do it for free, though I have only had a tulpa for 61 days

You'd think that paying would get you quality, but honestly it will just get you someone who is desperate enough to take five dollars a week for that sort of thing.

[Do you have any questions you would like to ask?

how do i stay focused?

11:23 PM

got mad concentration issues, you know what im saying

So is your problem that you get desrtacted, or just that you get bored?

um.. both

11:24 PM

yeah its embarrassing

Mindfulness meditation goes a long way. Not just in the tulpa creation process, but in general. The ability to stay focused is not a talent some are born with- it is a skill that can be honed.

for real doe?

I recommend "The Mind Illuminated," but any mindfulness meditation guide will suffice.

11:25 PM

Free PDF's are easy enough to locate if you are unwilling or unable to pay.

im even worse at reading, gotta admitt

I would suggest meditating before forcing, and try to make the experience fun

The basic idea is to sit every day without fail, for at least 5 minutes. No more is necessary, only 5 minutes to start. Focus exclusively on your breathing, and when you lose focus, gently correct yourself, and go back to focusing on the breathing.

11:26 PM

Intent to focus and repeated, gentle correction leads to improvement in focus.

but like, couldn't i just do active forcing if im 'meditating', anyways?

It is easier to have an enjoyable experience after your tulpa is sentient, but you can still make it more enjoyable by talking about things that interest you, trying to change what you do when forcing, and perhaps even using roll play games and roll playing as your tulp

11:28 PM

It is normally a good idea to meditate before forcing

alright cool, i'll give it another shot

11:29 PM

it just kinda sucks not making progress tho

11:30 PM

and i know it's because of my own short attention spam

Yeah I understand that, it will get easier as you go on if that helps

Meditation and forcing should be kept separate, in my opinion. As Breloom says, meditation is an excellent preface to active forcing.

11:33 PM

Aiming for quick results will lead to nothing but disappointment. Devote yourself to the process, find joy in engaging with your tulpa in meaningful ways, and your tulpa will develop healthily in good time.

11:34 PM

To clarify, "meditating" as I've used it is the act of focusing on nothing but the sensation of your breath and correcting yourself when your mind strays to develop focus. Active forcing is inherently detrimental to that process.

11:34 PM

Your meditation object could theoretically be anything, but making the object your tulpa will almost certainly lead to distraction.

I think it is good to meditate for things that are secondary to tulpamancy. Focus, for example, could be aided by meditation. I do not, however, believe that tulpamancy itself is aided by meditation.

Well the issue that we were discussing was having trouble focusing

The original question was "How do I stay focused while developing my tulpa?", so I suggested developing focus through meditation. While indirect, I believe meditation in his and most cases will assist the host in creating a tulpa.

Yeah, I didn't mean to disagree or anything there

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is it the same rule for meditation? just start with 5 mins a day and go from there?

The "rule" I gave was for meditation, not forcing.

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it isn't a hard rule, but sure that seems like it'd be fine

Forcing can last as long as you want it to, wherever you want, whenever you want. It can go however you want.

Also in my experience after meditating temperarally have more focus

Just use common sense.

11:40 PM

^

I would suggest forcing for as long as you can, and if you get bored or have to take breaks then that is fine

The longer (long term) you meditate regularly, the longer the "bonus" concentration lasts throughout your day.

11:45 PM

And regarding the 5 minute rule: 5 minutes a day is effective, but short enough. The absolute most important thing is that you do it in the same place at the same time, every single day. There's no need to feel bad if you miss a day, but inconsistency will ruin your attempts. As you feel comfortable, and after you have achieved consistency, raise the time as you like. You will likely find yourself wanting to sit for longer, or thinking your last sit was too short.

5eu a week? I'm charge 15us an hpur

12:18 AM

20 if you want spell checked lessons

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People might take you seriously if you say things like that. (edited)

I'll do it for 30

12:29 AM

with correct grammar, even

I don't think you can ask for a price higher than the currently offered one.

well don't offer to charge more than your competitors, why would anyone accept that? (granted this is clearly not serious discussion of tulpa-related stuff anyway, and should probably be moved to #lounge)

do tulpas actually wonder around in the wonderland when you arent focusing on them?

Some report yes. I do not believe it is a practical possibility, but I do believe it is something you can train yourself to emulate and/or believe is happening.

I don’t think mine do. They like to watch what I’m doing too much.

2:16 AM

I do.

Mine do. They watch movies... a lot Or the one I talk to the most does, anyway

3:25 AM

the other one seems to spend a lot of time in their room

@2NDWAVE any other questions would fit perfectly here

kk

4:50 AM

@Talin im just gona do what you said and narrate to them or try to

just talk to them as if they are already there whenever you can remember they're there

yup, those are the important thing

don't fall for false positives. if you're unsure, ask your tupper